Our topic is Education : We have started discussed it ! I hope everyone will contribute with its own ideas!
here are our first ideas!
Thank you all for your input. But I would like to add, even though there are lots of differences between the France and the American school system, here are some reasons why I feel there is:
I may not have lots of knowledge about the school system in France, but I have a little knowledge of the system here in America. Yes, it is true that most of the students here in the American school system focus on sports then in the French school system. Sport is important because it is fun and very athletic. Also, it is a game of leisure. Plus, the players are paid large sum of money. I think it was years ago when players were even require to at least having a high school diploma before qualifying for the big league or at least before playing pro football or basket ball. But most of the teams do get their players from high schools. [
Not true. Besides Tracy McGrady and Lebron James, name one professional athlete who was drafted straight out of an American high school. -Wagner]
Anyway,I really do believe that going to college or attending Universities is a personal and family choice. It is true that there are no guaranteed that when a person graduates from college, he or she would get a job. Neither is it guaranteed that if a student plays sports, he or she world get a contract. But, it is true that if, and when he or she graduates, he or she would definitely pay back the loan taken to attend college or the university. Unless the student had a scholarship or parents could afford to send him or her to school.
On the other hand, from what I have gathered, education in France is free to all? Therefore it is expected that if not all, but most high school graduates continue on with higher educations?
Here in America, it is maandatory that students go to school from 1st to high school. That form of education is free. Some of the parents, who can afford to, send their children to private school. Private school system sometimes means that those boys and girls do have access to some of the best educational systems and training available. That does not mean that public school teacher are not trying their best to teach their students, it only means the teachers may not have access to the best information possible to help their students achieve better grades. That is why the School voucher system came into place. Even though this is very controversial, it allows the parents to choose which school (public or private) system or neighborhood they want to send their kids to. Although others disagree with this, because they think that the system should be fixed and every student should have equal opportunity to all of the information available. They think that kids should not be taken from the poor neighborhood and taken to the rich neighborhood to attend school should be the same across the board. That I agree with, unfortunately, the system is not set that way. Therefore, other kids do not have access to the scholarship information available to those in private schools or rich neighborhood. [
Private school teachers here in Turlock make half of what public school teachers make. And no, they do not have better resources at all. There is, however, more parent involvement in school activities in private schools than there is in public schools. - Wagner] The choice is to play sports, or try to become a singer, rapper or even decide to, or not to go to school at all, again is a person choice. [
So, you're saying that learning Math or English aren't viable options? - Wagner]
Here is a quote I will leave you all with. “A pure voucher system would only [
...give hope to children all over the country currently stuck in failed schools... -Wagner] encourage economic, racial, ethnic, and religious stratification in our society. America’s success has been built on our ability to unify our diverse populations.”
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I do not know if talking about the differnce in education in France and in the US is enough...Because there are many difference (more than sports! :-))American students can wait later to choose only one field of study Foreign langages are not mandatory and are taught later. There are less hours of course in a week- ...
But the importance of education is also really different! In France whatever you experience you will always say I am graduated from that business school! Even when you are 50, the first thing you say is not your current position but the fact that you are from that school. In the US I think working experience and the way you do your job is more important than the study you have done... In France, it is not the case...
Another point is: What the place of education in the economy of a country? France is really specific in the way that the government spend more for primary and secondary school (per pupils) than it spends per students for university !!But the place of education in government budget is still really high... I do not know which place it occurs in the US budget! I think it is still important to link the education subject to an economic context! And maybe also we can enlarge the subject to other countries...(education in China, in other european countries, in developping countries, /.... ) Is education must be or not a priority for developping countries? How can they do to finance it? On which level must government focus? Another stuff is that in France professional education (to make kind of manual job) is not well seen... Is it the same in the us ??
Geraldine
Thanks rudy for having begun the topic. I agree with you that in the American system, sports tends to take a huge place . All what you have is good, Rudy. I just would like to add that without sports, a significant part of student won't afford to go to good universities (thank you, scholarship). Another problem is that where is the barriers ? Because, firms sponsorized a lot those teams! Here in Turlock they are fast foods or pizerria but think about larger universities like Stanford, UCLA, MIT...I don't think that they are only sponsorised by local businesses but rather by corporations [
Why would you think that? -Wagner]...but isn't it the same as playing as a professional? Though it is college sports!
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College athletes are not paid. There are rules against that. If a university paid its atletes, it would be banned from competition. -Wagner]
And also I would like to point out as differences, the fact you don't have to pay a lot to attend French universities. Though there is more and more business school that ask a lot for tuitions .
But in France paying a lot doesn't necessarily mean that you will pay for good education! Here it seems that the higher you pay, the better is the education! It is true that in France we don't have all those activities ( housing, trips, free foods, campus...) that they offer. At the same time, are we willing to pay for them? If the housing price still goes up in Paris, I will!!! Another difference is taht most of the professors in France are professional not teacher so that they take on their take on their free time to teach! Is that a good things? I think yesand no, because we don't only have the theory but sometime some practical example taken from their personal experiences. Though, since teaching is not their first job, thime toey don't often take tudents! Ihe time to talk and know the stt is really impersonal! The professor seems to be inaccessible and sometimes don't even know the name of its student! He delegates a lot to the TA.
Noro
Concerning the debate about Education, I propose that we point out the main differences between the educational systems of USA and France, and try to say why we think such aspect is a good think or not …
I personally point out a big difference concerning the place of sport in US education. Indeed, Sport actively takes part of the American student life,with, according to me, all the positive following points:- Concerning the community, it helps to develop the ‘team spirit’ and feeling of membership which is very valuable for students’ success - Concerning the individual, it inculcates values of respect, defeats,challenges …
But of course, some negatives aspects occur:-If Sport has a so important role today in American education, it is partially because of the possibility to raise money easily as compared to the French system: Indeed events in US are often sponsorised by junky food brands with negative impacts on students’ health. In France, advertisement is banned to public education.- Moreover, I recently read a surprising data: less than 1% of thebest sportive students will become professional after university career!That is to say, 99% have sacrificed so much for their passion (at detrimentof ourses) for few things at the end …
Rudy
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Sarcrificed? They got a college education that they would not have been able to afford without the scholarship, plus they got to do something they enjoy doing. How is this a sacrifice? I've always been jealous of those with athletic scholarships. I wish I had had one! I would have loved to play college football!!!
In general, you all are making way too much out of sports in education. 99% of College students do not play collegiate sports. -Wagner]